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Guest Blogger: John Dolan


John Dolan

This is part two of my Q&A with Holger Thoss and John Dolan. I posted Holger’s answers earlier in the week and you can view it HERE if you missed it.

Be sure to check out John and Holger’s new blog, “Tableshots”.

A Bryan Photo: You are both constantly pushing to keep yourselves from avoiding “the
wedding vortex”. How do you define this “Vortex”?
John Dolan: The vortex is the expected, the picture you have seen 1000 times. You see it through your lens, you recognize it immediately, and you have to choose, “Do I settle for this easy shot, or do I try to see it a new way?” When you settle for the expected, you have slipped down into The Vortex of Mediocre Wedding Photography.

ABP: Can you give us an example of when you pushed the envelope and you
were pleasantly surprised by the outcome?
JD: I tend to get swept away by certain weddings. This one, fairly early in my career, took me on a great ride. The bride and groom both worked for magazines and they let me shoot as freely as I liked. The wedding was tender and honest and joyful and the photographs felt as if they made themselves. I pushed the envelope by being loose all night:

ABP: Talk a bit about the importance of carrying the weight of a couple’s family history.
JD: It is simply this. I try to imagine that in 30 years, the daughter of that bride I shot last Saturday will be dying to know what life was like on the day their parents got married, perhaps because she will be getting married that day. The box of photographs is a form of marital DNA. It contains little slips of evidence of an ancestor.

ABP: Many modern wedding photographers wear themselves out on wedding days, often shooting 7,000+ digital images. You take a counterintuitive approach. Explain the idea behind “the less hard I work, the better.”
JD: Quality not quantity. If you aim for 12 great photographs, hopefully you will make 88 good, solid images, and 12 greats. If you try to cover everything and hustle and sweat, you will make 3000 images that we have all seen before. Aim high and if you miss you still wont shoot yourself in the foot.

ABP: Say I’m a beginning wedding photographer. What are the three things you would want to make sure I know before starting out in this industry?
JD: 1. Batteries die when brides walk down the aisle. (It’s physics.)
2. You can’t pretend to like weddings. Either you do or you don’t.
3. The wedding photographer is part of the wedding party. Act like it.

ABP: What inspires you?
JD: Watching people perform under pressure, with grace. A rookie’s first major league at-bat. 7th graders in a Shakespeare play. A groom who can actually dance. A father of the bride who actually says what he has wanted to say for 27 years to his daughter.

ABP: What are your three favorite wedding images you have ever taken and why?
JD: I have only one. A portrait of my wife from the back, taken on our honeymoon, in her wedding dress. I finally got my turn:

ABP: What is your opinion of wedding photojournalism?
JD: Weddings train you better for photojournalism than the other way around. I think a core element to a good wedding image is sensuality. I want images that will make me hear and smell and taste the day. It seems to me many photojournalists are trained into objectivity and that is the last thing I want from a wedding photograph.

ABP: Most photographers dread the “family formal” time but this is one of your favorite times of the day. Why? What perspective did you both adopt to get excited about doing them?
JD: First, you can kill a lot of birds with just a few stones. You can very quickly please the mother of the bride (crucial), make historical groupings of generations, document the true nature of a family (stiff, wild, dysfunctional.) Also, little things happen. It is part of the ritual…the welcoming of the groom into the bride’s family, the blending of the two families. It can be wonderfully chaotic:

Thanks John! Feel free to leave a question in a comment if you want to ask him something else.

Guest Blogger: Holger Thoss


(Photo of Holger Thoss by Cary Norton)

This past summer Caleb and I got the privilege of attending John Dolan & Holger Thoss’ workshop on wedding photography in New York City. I have held their work in high regard for years and jumped at the chance to learn from these legends of the trade in a workshop setting. The perspective I gained from this time was invaluable. The main philosophy I took from these two was the importance of creating images that last. The first day of the workshop was spent going through a history of the trade. We looked at wedding photographs that are still captivating today despite being taken 60 years ago. What characteristics made these images still relevant? What perspective should modern day photographers have towards capturing classic and timeless pictures?

I am so honored that these two would be our first ever guest bloggers on our site, to share some more in depth ideas on their approach to our trade. I gave them both a list of questions and told them to pick the questions they want to answer.

Today I’m posting Holger’s answers and tomorrow I will post John’s.

These two, along with wedding and lifestyle photographer Philippe Cheng, share a studio in New York. Together they have started a blog called “tableshots” where they are sharing their images, inspirations, philosophy on our trade. Be sure to check it out and leave a comment.

Without further ado, the floor is yours Holger!

A Bryan Photo: What in your mind, makes up a classic image?
Holger Thoss: A classic wedding image to me has to have the following: A) showing a genuine moment that can be read by a culturally wide audience. B) A unique moment that can’t be easily described with words. C) Capturing subtle, hidden emotions and gestures and translating them into a strong photograph. D) Taking a complex situation and transforming it into a single photograph. E) Making images that are different than the traditional compositions with a still easy to read message.

ABP: Can you show us a few examples of classic wedding images that inspire you? Tell us why they move you.
HT: The following one has a timeless radiance to it that I love and it shows a subtle but powerful moment.

ABP: You and John both constantly pushing to keep yourselves from avoiding “the wedding vortex”. How do you define this “Vortex”?
HT: The wedding vortex: Taking somebody else’s images and not your own.

ABP: Can you give us an example of when you pushed the envelope and you were pleasantly surprised by the outcome? (If you can provide an image it would be great)
HT: The first time when I decided not to take any flash pictures and just went for the slow shutter, grainy approach.

(It was getting dark and I just kept on shooting with out flash, risking to get the crucial after ceremony shot totally blurry – but I was surprised how well the shot turned out and I discovered “my thing”)

ABP: Talk a bit about the importance of carrying the weight of a couple’s family history.
HT: You have to make sure you are the perfect match as their wedding photographer. They have to feel that your pictures speak a language that they totally understand but are not fluent in expressing themselves.

ABP: Many modern wedding photographers wear themselves out on wedding days, often shooting 7,000+ digital images. You take a counterintuitive approach. Explain the idea behind “the less hard I work, the better.”
HT: If you want to end up with 50 powerful images describing their wedding experience, do you need to take 7000 exposures?

ABP: How much weight do you place on physical products (prints or albums)? What advice would you give any photographer who is debating whether to make albums or just give clients a disc.
HT: OK, there is the issue of the historic value of the images – how do you make sure their kids and grandchildren will still be able to enjoy the images? I personally also need to create the final book after the wedding as the final presentation – it’s the only medium that completes my vision truthfully.

ABP:Say I’m a beginning wedding photographer. What are the three things you would want to make sure I know before starting out in this industry?
HT: Think really hard what kind of wedding images you want to take and constantly question yourself.

ABP:What inspires you?
HT: Wonderful, amazing photographs; emotional people; breathtaking landscapes; light; drink and food; family and friends

ABP: Most photographers dread the “family formal” time but this is one of your favorite times of the day. Why? What perspective did you both adopt to get excited about doing them?.
HT: The cliché is so strong that it gives you a lot of room to break out of.

What are your three favorite wedding images you have ever taken and why?
Holger: Hmm, I probably have a hard time picking the “3″ but okay I’ll do it and see what comes out…

This was the quintessential shot of the brides emotion for me:

Okay, now I am getting repetitive and give away my formula but I love their body language and her expression just gets me:

This one is probably unexpected, but a good example for the un-formal, formal shot. At this wedding 2 very special families met and they totally elevated me. The image captures a certain beauty and strength in those people that I find captivating and contagious:

THANKS HOLGER!
These are so inspiring.
Do you have any further questions for Holger? Leave a comment!